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Old 03-15-2006, 01:50 AM
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Even though during the 16th c, not everyone focused on building naval power( Takeda Shingen does not even own a port for most his life), it still plays an important rule for getting resources from foreign country( especially Guns).

The Mori clan( we will talk about him later) owns the biggest naval fleet, around 600, among all the daimyou( a position like state governor that has power over all the aspects in state). However here comes our guy who invented the famous 鉄甲船 ( ship with iron shell) and defeated the Mori's navy. Our guy's name is 九鬼嘉隆(kuki yoshitaka 1542-1600) also known as the Pirate Daimyou.

Yoshitaka is the second son of a Daimyou. his brother died during a war against local warlord, and he was forced to escape into the mountain. However, he managed to get introduced to 織田信長(Oda Nobunaga) during the famous 桶狭間の戦い(battle of Okehazama) . After he helped Nobunaga to take over castle 大淀(Oyodo) by leading navy fleet, he formally became Nobunaga’s 家臣( clan house member).

In 1576, Yoshitaka went head on with the 600 ships from the Mori clan, and lost the battle. Nobunaga was very angry with the lost and ordered Yoshitaka to think of something, and he did. He invented the鉄甲船 (ship with iron shell).

Then of course he won the battle later with his iron ship and became a daimyou himself. However, his death is a bit tragedy… During the 関ヶ原の戦い(battle of Sekigahara) , Yoshitaka fought for the West and his son fought for the East. After West lost the war, he ran to a small island and hided himself. Even though his son was able to save him because he helped the winner, Yoshitaka could not wait and committe suicide before his son could reach him.

BTW: In 1592 he was order by 豊臣秀吉 (Toyotomi Hideyoshi) to lead a navy fleet to conquer Korea but failed

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Old 03-15-2006, 06:22 AM
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Japanese Piracy

I was looking around and saw this little piece regarding Japanese Piracy spanning from the 13th Century to the 16th Century

During the following centuries, Japanese "Wakou" pirates became very active plundering the coast of the Chinese Empire. The first raid by Wokou on record occurred in the summer of 1223, on the south coast of Goryeo. At the peak of Wakou activity, circa 1350, fleets of 300 to 500 ships, transporting several hundred horsemen and several thousand soldiers, would raid the coast of China[3]. For the next half-century, sailing principally from Iki and Tsushima, they engulfed the southern half of Goryeo. The worst period was the decade between 1376 and 1385, when no fewer than 174 instances of pirate raids were recorded in Korea. Wakou activity would only end in the 1580s with its interdiction by Toyotomi Hideyoshi.

(Wikipedia - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Naval_h...6th_century.29 )
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The Yagyu Clan

Who better to explain the Yagyu Clan then me,

According to ancient-and somewhat less than wholly reliable-records, the Yagyu clan were descendants of the aristocratic poet of the Heian age, Michizane Sugawara

The most notable names of the Yagyu Clan were
Yagyu Muneyoshi Sekishusai,
Yagyu Munenori Mataemon
Yagyu Hyogonosuke Toshiyoshi
Yagyu Jubei Mitsuyoshi
Yagyu Gisen Retsudo

Mimasaka-no-kami Ieyoshi
Against a string of invading armies trying to overrun their peaceful fief, Munenori Yagyu's grandfather Ieyoshi led a force of Kinki samurai and commoners who successfully defended their homeland over and over again. Of course, this was an era when the concept of the samurai (or bushi) as the sole representative of the warrior class was still being developed. Typically, as was the case in the battles in the Kinki region, professional soldiers fought alongside farmers and craftsmen who, though lacking in quality armor and weaponry, were nonetheless efficient fighters.

Kamiizumi Ise-no-kami Fujiwara Nobutsuna:
While he wasnt a blood relation of the Yagyu he is thought of as the first Master of the Yagyu Shinkage Ryu which was the most direct offshoot of his own Shinkage Ryu. He was perhaps closer to Muneyoshi then Ieyoshi was and often Stayed in Yagyu village. Muneyoshi even had a grand house built for him in the Castle grounds. He met Muneyoshi is 1564 at Hozoin temple in Nara not far from Yagyu Village. Muneyoshi challenged Ise No Kami but was defeated. The interesting thing was that Ise No Kami was not even armed with a weapon and Yagyu has his proud family sword drawn. Ise no Kami's nephew Hikita Bunguro next fought Muneyoshi and the same thing happened. Yagyu became a disciple of Ise No Kami and after a time was officially appointed as the Successor to the Shinkage Ryu.

Yagyu Muneyoshi Sekishusai:
Founded the Yagyu Shinkage Ryu style of swordsmenship, his father was Mimasaka-no-kami Ieyoshi whos brother was the famous Inaba-no- kami Shigenaga
Muneyoshi trained under Ise No kami Nobutsuna who was Master of the Shinkage Ryu.
In 1564 Muneyoshi challenged Ise no Kami to a duel using his sword whil Ise No kami was unarmed. Ise No Kami a man already in his 60s easily defeated Muneyoshi using the Secret Technique Mutodori. Muneyoshi persisted in challenging Ise No kami but his Nephew Hikita Bungoro took up the challenged defeated Muneyoshi in 3 bouts the same way. Muneyoshi as well as Kakazenbo Inei Hozoin stayed with Kami Izumi learning all they could. Muneyoshi became head of the Yagyu Clan and served for a time under Matsunaga Hisahide and later Junkei Tsutsui. He also served as a sword instructor to Oda Nobunaga shortly before his death at the hands of Akechi Mitsuhide. He participated in the battle of Yamazaki in 1582 under the banner of Mitsuhide Akechi who was being attacked by Hideyoshi Toyotomi. He fathered five sons 2 of which only merit note as swordsmen.

Yagyu Yoshikatsu Shinjiro
Son of Sekishusai and father of Hyogonosuke. Yoshikatsu was crippled during the battle of Yamazaki.

Yagyu Gorōemon Muneaki
Munetoshi’s fourth son, Gorōemon Muneaki, had served under Kobayakawa Hideaki until Hideaki’s death in 1602. Muneaki became a rōnin, and was taken in by Yokota Muraaki, the chamberlain of Nakamura Kazutada, lord of Yonago. In 1603, Nakamura killed Yokota, believing that the chamberlain was plotting against him. Yokota’s family, including Yagyū Muneaki, started an uprising, which was ruthlessly put down. Muneaki fought bravely, reportedly cutting down 18 men before he was shot and killed. He was 35 years old.[1]

Yagyu Munenori Mataemon.
Participated in the battle of Yamazaki when he was just a boy. Munenori while he was still young saved a Clan lord from an ambush. Later that Lord became Ieyasu Tokugawa and hired Munenori to be the Swords Instructor for his son Hidetada. Munenori was also appointed So=Metsuke, the Watchdog of the Daimyo. Munenori was also a Master of Mutodori and Yagyu Shinkage Ryu. He established his own house known as the Omote or Edo Yagyu. However Munenori's ambition didnt stop there in order to serve the shogun in the shadows and watch for any signs of treachoury from the Daimyo he established the Ura Yagyu who used the crest of the Twin Swallows passed down from their ancestor Ieyoshi Mimasaka.
Munenori Was one of the most powerful men of the early Edo period and was considered to be the greatest swordsmaster in the land. He was good friends with Takuan Soho who wrote him letters that are now known as the Unfettered Mind. Munenori was given rule over Tajima and was also called Yagyu Tajima No Kami. (Court Title)
Munenori himself wrote a few books, Sword and the Mind is one of them.
In Fiction he is thought to have been musashi's greatest rival and is often portrayed as a Political Schemer. He had Five Sons.

Yagyu Sumitoshi
The Yagyū family suffered a major loss in 1597, when Munetoshi’s oldest grandson and ostensible heir, Sumitoshi, was killed in battle in Korea.[1] In 1599, Munetoshi wrote out a will. Demonstrating the dire situation his family was in, he ordered that his tea ceremony equipment be sold to pay for his funeral.

Yagyu Hyogonosuke Toshiyoshi:
Son of Yoshikatsu, Hyogo was also a Master of the Yagyu Shinkage Ryu. Hyogo was chosen by Sekishusai to succeed the Yagyu Shinkage Ryu insteadof Munenori as Sekishusai did not aprove of Munenori's lifestyle and choices. Hyogo became sword instructor to Tokugawa Yoshinao, before that he served Kato Kiyomasa and somewhere in between went on the Warriors Pilgramage. He established the Owari Yagyu which is still practiced today.

Yagyu Jubei Mitsuyoshi:
Probly the most famous of the Yagyu clan (the dude on my Icon) Jubei was the eldest son of Muneyoshi. He was sword instructor to the Shogun Tokugawa Iemitsu but when he beat up Iemistu during training and was released from the position to put it mildly. Its believed that Jubei was wounded by his father Munenori during a Duel in which his eye was cut. After which he is commonly portrayed with the Sword guard Eye patch. Jubei disappeared from records for many years. Theory's range from him working as a Ninja for the Yagyu Clan to him traveling the warriors pilgrimage to him fighting against his fathers Yagyu Conspiracy. Whatever the truth Jubei is a legend among the Yagyu. He developed his own style called Tsujigen. He wrote a book like his father called the text of looking at the Moon. Jubei was killed in his early 30's. His death was as mysterious as his life. Officailly they say he either died Hawk Hunting or Fishing. But it is beleived he may have been assassinated, Poisoned or even fought a Duel in which he lost.

Yagyu Tomonori
Half Brother of Jubei, not much is known about him aside from he also was an exceptional swordsmen. He fought a Duel with Yagyu Renya in which Renya Called it a draw though its said it was because Renya was winning and didnt wish to embarrass his cousin.

Yagyu Munefuyu
Third son of Munenori. Sword Instructor to Tokugawa Ietsuna. In 1650 he became leader of the Yagyu Clan. He too was an awsome swordsmen. It is said he was extremely comely in appearance and was very popular with the ladies.

Yagyu Renya
Son of Yagyu Hyogonosuke. Renya was a Master swordsmen said to be better then all of Munenoris sons except Jubei. Renya followed in his fathers footsteps serving Lord Owari.

Yagyu Gizen Rokkumaru Retsudo:
Youngest son of Munenori, Retsudo became a Monk despite the fact that he also had amazing swords skills. In Lone Wolf and Cub Manga, he is portrayed as the leader of the Ura Yagyu (Yagyu Shadow Ninja Clan) who in an attempt to become more powerfull framed Ogami Ito. (Good stuff check it out)

Yagyu Akane
Daughter of Munenori and little sister of Jubei. She had a talent at diplomacy and also worked for her father as a Kunoichi. She also held an almost hero worship admiration for her brother Jubei.

Yagyu Hyoma:
Said to be Leader of the Ura Yagyu (before Retsudo was old enough) may have been one of Munenori's brothers or half brothers. Hyoma is portrayed in the Tsura No Toki Anima. He may be completely fictionalized but i thought he was cool enough to slap on here.

Lineage

Mainline

* Founder - Kamiizumi Ise-no-kami Fujiwara Nobutsuna
* 2nd Headmaster- Yagyū Tajima-no-kami Taira Munetoshi (Sekishusai)
* 3rd - Yagyū Hyōgonosuke Taira Toshitoshi (Jounsai)
* 4th - Owari Gondainagon Minamoto Yoshinao
* 5th - Yagyū Hyōgo Taira Toshikane (Renya)
* 6th - Owari Gondainagon Minamoto Mitsutomo
* 7th - Owari Gonchūnagon Minamoto Tsunanobu
* 8th - Yagyū Hyōgo Taira Toshinobu
* 9th - Owari Gonchūnagon Minamoto Yoshimichi
* 10th - Yagyū Rokurōbe Taira Toshitomo
* 11th - Yagyū Hyōsuke Taira Toshiharu
* 12th - Owari Saishochūjō Minamoto Haruyuki
* 13th - Yagyū Mataemon Taira Toshiyuki
* 14th - Yagyū Hyōsuke Taira Toshihisa
* 15th - Owari Gondainagon Minamoto Naritomo
* 16th - Yagyū Shinroku Taira Toshimasa
* 17th - Yagyū Chūjirō Taira Toshishige
* 18th - Owari Gondainagon Minamoto Yoshikumi
* 19th - Yagyū Sangorō Taira Toshichika
* 20th - Yagyū Kinji Taira Toshinaga
* 21st - Yagyū Nobuharu Taira Toshimichi
* 22nd - Yagyū Kōichi Taira Toshinobu

Edo line

* 1st - Yagyū Tajima-no-kami Taira Munenori
* 2nd - Yagyū Jūbei Taira Mitsuyoshi
* 3rd - Yagyū Hida-no-kami Taira Munefuyu
* 4th - Yagyū Tsushima-no-kami Taira Muneari
* 5th - Yagyū Bizen-no-kami Taira Toshikata
* 6th - Yagyū Tajima-no-kami Taira Toshihira
* 7th - Yagyū Tajima-no-kami Taira Toshimine
* 8th - Yagyū Noto-no-kami Taira Toshinori
* 9th - Yagyū Hida-no-kami Taira Toshitoyo
* 10th - Yagyū Tajima-no-kami Taira Toshiakira
* 11th - Yagyū Hida-no-kami Taira Toshiyoshi
* 12th - Yagyū Tsushima-no-kami Taira Toshimune
* 13th - Yagyū Tajima-no-kami Taira Toshimasu
* 14th - Yagyū Toshihisa

Theres lots of other notable Yagyu but those are the most well known.

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<- Should absolutely re-create the Miyamoto Clan, and claim Miyamoto Musashi before someone else does...
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No way! If I see anyone stealing a famous personality's name I'll hunt him down until he deletes the character! >=D

Just kidding. Regardless, I still believe it should be forbidden to use names that have been historically "taken".
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Agreed 100%. I mentioned that moreso due to Oda Nobunaga laying claim to the Oda Clan.
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Great information on clan kamon! Though I just came up with a fictional one for my own character's roleplay.
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The name Jebe means "arrow" in the language of the Mongols.
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Even if someone made a Miyamoto clan family theres only 3 notable members. and only 2 of which real fans would know, one of which anyone would know.
Hirata Shokan
Shinmen Munisai
Shinmen Takezo (Miyamoto Musashi)

Musashi wasnt part of the Miyamoto clan, he was born of the Shinmen and Hirata Clans.
Anyone who reads the Manga im writing will get an idea as im basing it on his father Shinmen Munisai.

And if someone goes and makes a Shinmen family i will be most angry at them >
Even i declined to try and take on the name of the Shinmen / Miyamoto Musashi.

But ah well im sure if someone claims Miyamoto Musashi for a name everyone and their entire clan will be attacking and killing them 24/7.
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I know i will send the minions of the Yagyu to hunt them down.

Its just too high profile. Much like Oda Nobunaga.

But hey i do think as long as the character name isnt being used as an npc in game then it would be ok for someone to use the name.

On the subject of the name Musashi in it self many samurai held the name in part. Even the man who named Shinmen Takezo,, Miyamoto Musashi used Musashi No kami as his court title. That would be Lord Ikeda Terumasa Musashi No Kami.
There were many others who used Musashi No Kami.

Other popular titles in names were
Bizen No Kami
Minamoto No Kami
Izumi No Kami
Mimasaka No Kami.

Im sure there are tons of others but those ones i see alot.

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They're actually not 100% sure who Musashi's father is...

They're not actually 100% sure on who his Mother is either.

Edit: His court title was actually Shinmen Musashi no Kami Fujiwara no Genshin

Edit Edit: Let's not forget one of likely the most famous Musashi's (save Takezo of course); Musashibo Benkei, Yoshitsune's devout partner.
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yes im aware of all that, the whole thing about his grave reading his date of death being prior to musashi's supposed birth though they arent even 100% sure when musashi was born.
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